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Hi Paul, The new website is great. I’ve read the Eden trilogy and watched your video’s with Mauro Biglino. My question is who do you say your prayers to? And what’s the story with the New Testament, who is it written for? Thank you. Deborah

Hello to Paul Wallis and the 5thkind team,

I discovered Paul's work two months ago and find it very interesting. I appreciate Paul's very articulate way of thinking and speaking, as well as the production work of his colleagues.

I watched many videos, including the first 4 episodes with Mauro Biglioni, and also bought and read "Escape from Eden".

From this point of view, there is one particular aspect of Paul's argumentation that puzzles me, about which I haven't found any answer so far within the provided material.
I will try to express it as clearly as possible, although english is not my mother tongue.

I undertand that, around the 7th century BC, some hebrew scholars edited ancient texts and re-arranged them ("cisors and paste") into a form that promoted a monotheistic worldview.
I also understand the following key point : the word "Elohim" should be interpreted as its root meaning, that is a plural term that designates the "powerfull ones".

However, my comprehension is that the editing process used material written in hebrew to generate a new narrative also written in hebrew. I understand that, in this process, the word "Yahweh" has been copied and pasted in many places where it was not in the original versions. Yet, the term "Elohim" apparently has remained in many places inside the new narrative (I cannot check by myself since I am completely enable to read hebrew ! )

** Since this new text was written in hebrew, how could there be any ambiguity regarding the fact that "Elohim" was a plural form ? **

Another way to express my question : I understand that mistranslation and mis-interpretation of Elohim/plural has happened during the translation from the hebrew post-editing narrative into other languages (greek, latin, italian, english...). Yet for the hebrew speaking people to which this new narrative was originally dedicated, how could there be any mis-understanding ? As I imagine the picture, hebrew reading people should understand that Elohim is plural and therefore I can't see how this edited narrative could be so misleading for them.

I hope that I managed to express my interrogation clearly enough, and look forward to reading the answers,

Thanks and best regards

After viewing most of you videos, related to the Bible, I have some questions & thoughts I'd like to toss your way.

1) What do you think the real reason was for the Israelites having to spend 40 years in the desert? Might it have been other reasons? Maybe he wanted to tame Jacob?

2) Do you believe that Yahweh is the same god during Moses' time as the one from Abram/Abraham & Isaac & Jacob's time? I get the impression that you believe they are different. From what I have learned from your videos I believe they were different & maybe some of the Israelites knew or suspected it too, & that may have contributed to their rebellion. As you said, Yahweh didn't act like a real god would.

3) Could there have been more than one elohim that ruled over the Israelites at the same time; at different times?

4) When do you think the Yahweh left the Israelites?

5) Looking at what you've shown me in your videos it now seems to me like the redactors may have made mistakes because they wanted us (someone (you)) to eventually figure this out, the truth, that the redactions were ordered from higher-ups. I mean the clues are obvious when you know what to look for.

6) I like Plato's analogy of the universe to be the answer to fulfill a new/awakening consciousness.

7) In your opinion, would you say that not inquiring of seers & mystics is from Yahweh (the dragon elohim) or the redactors or maybe both?

8) What ideas do you have about Jesus, his understanding & his teaching? I feel that Christianity is very likely the reason we haven't annihilated ourselves. I also feel that Jesus had a connection beyond what we had back then or now.

You may have answered some or maybe even all of my questions. If would you please answer them again for me, I would be very grateful & better informed.

Thanks,

Al Walls

Member for about 3 months.

AI Walls

1) I think that El Elyon allotted YHWH a short straw - a people with no land
2) I think the Abraham and Sarah stories recall multiple layers of contact. YHWH claims to be the El Shaddai who met with Abraham. I think there's more to it than that though.
3) Yes. Hence the worship of other entities by the tribes of Israel
4) YHWH ceases to be physically around after the coup of I Samuel 8. However he continues to shape public policy for generations afterwards. By the time of Josiah he is well and struly absent. He is not even sought out for remote communications any more. The people look back on his influence by the C8th-7thBCE and see it in a negative light. This is referenced in II Kings and Jeremiah.
5) I don't think the redactors wanted to be rumbled - other than they were unshamed about the fact that they were retelling older stories. They make no attempt to hide that. But I don't think it's because they want their theology to be questioned. I think the older stories were probably too well known to have done it any other way.
6) Yes there's heaps of wisdom to be gleaned from Plato.
7) Yes I think that the agenda of the redaction was a top down authority structure. Neither YHWH nor his successive deputies or devotees wanted competing information or people with grassroots access to other information. I think it's about full spectum dominance. I John 4 affirms contact and channellling experiences - jsut with the rider that we should be discerning, not believe or act on everything, but keep our sovreignty and judge for ourselves. That's my view too.
8) Yes I am a fan and follower of Jesus, trying to see him more clearly than the lenses of institutional orthodoxy have permited through the ages. His teaching has been profoundly important and I believe still is - notwithstanding all the horrors perpertrated in his name throught the ages.

Hi Paul, love your work and the new website. How literal do you personally take the Dragon stories?

Hi Aaron,

Thanks! Your question about how to interpret the dragon stories is a very good question. (I touch on this in Echoes of Eden, and re-visit it in my new book The Eden Conspiracy. I suspect that among the dragon stories we have a range of ancient memory.

Some I am prepared to take quite literally. I think the correlation of beef and lamb offerings along with gold and virgin girls points to real dragon entities. However when we look at how the memory of the dragon eentities evolved in Mayan shamanic practice, for instance, it suggests other dimensioal entities who would manifest / project as dragon-like beings. So that raises a question or two.

Then there are texts in the Bible and the Popol Vuh where the dragons could be interpreted as ancient craft. This would inclede the references to the Kruvim / Cherubim in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Then there are other references, such as in Genesis 3, where the dragon/serpent (the Bible uses these words interchangeably) could have been a humanoid entity, Enki, in the Sumerian original, who produced humans who resembled his species, yet had the name of a dragon/serpent. The final redactor of Genesis 3 interprets this entity as a snake (hannahas), but given the entity's introduction and role in the Genesis 3 story it is pretty clear we are not talking about anything you or I would recognise as a snake.

So I think all those layers are there going back through time. On every occasion we have to ask separately, "What is going on here? What is this about? What memory is being carried in this story?"

Sorry it's not a simpler answer, but I think it is that complex.

Health and Peace,
Paul

Paul,

What can you tell me about the use of the word האחר on rabbinic literature that deals with the idea of "another god" in heaven — in the context of the ascendancy of the angel Metatron to the "throne" of God? This obviously heretic and even blasphemous idea could point out to some form of acknowledgement of the dissonant character of the god of Israel.

Good evening Paul,
I am a senior citizen from Cape Town, being listening to you now for the past 6 months. You and Muaro Biglioni have answered so many of my questions and added lifted the veil on many of my questions.
I started studying bible and theology way back in 1975 and the stories of Genesis was always an enigma to me. I read Chariot of the Gods as a 19 year old in 1974 and at that time made very little impact on me. Twenty years later I reread the book because of my questions about Aliens, UFO's and my Faith.

Thank you for your writing. However, I am now struggling with issues of faith. I believe and love the teachings of Jesus but just can not reconcile the Yahwist link.
I do not accept that The Father of whom Jesus refers to is the Eloihim ie, the God of Israel. But a life time of that belief is the struggle.
Would you allow me to beg on your site. At our exchange rate of almost R20 to $1 the cost of your books is way out of reach for me as a Pensioner. My state pension is equal to $110 per month.
My Request: If anybody who is prepared to loan me a copies of your Books I will return them after reading. Especially your Eden Series.

Thank you Paul

Trevor Beukes